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Poster: high flow Date: Apr 26, 2007 3:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Owsley On The Environment

Knew I read that somewhere before. I believe Dr Flashback turned me on to Hunter's journal of short stories...cool stuff.

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Poster: Jerrob Hungar Date: Apr 26, 2007 4:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Owsley On The Environment

Hi High
I give AshesRising credit for pointing me to his short stories. A joy to read.
But I really just wanted to say that its moot whether there would be a grateful dead as we know it if not for Mr Stanley III - with its wider implications. I for one still regard Owsley as part of the gd family and I admire and respect his contributions, so I will listen to his views with an open mind as I will anyone who has something pertinent to say. I'm not very good at writing this kind of stuff, I feel a bit pompous, but I thought I had to say something.

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Apr 26, 2007 4:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Owsley On The Environment

Hey Jerrob

Not meaning to put Owsley down just not who i would turn to when studying climatology.

While I am pretty sure that we are messing with the planet's self regulating mechanisms I am also pretty sure that we are not going to alter the planet beyond perhaps causing misery for ourselves and the other inhabitants of terra firma.

To me being a good steward of the eath is very important. It seems like there has got to be ways to both protect the environment and provide for all of it's inhabitants.

I sure would like to see us use more of what has been freely given such as solar & wind. I am aware that we will still need fossil fuels but there has been minimal effort to develop these renewable resources. Many of us will be priced out of buying gasoline in ten years if prices continue to rise at current rates.

When President Bush took office gas was around $1.50 a gallon. Now it is in the $3.00 range. Oil profits are at record highs what is the market incentive to pursue alternative fuels?

"And the rich man in his summer home"

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Poster: bigbossdan Date: Apr 26, 2007 5:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Owsley On The Environment

The incentive is the long-term viability of corporations like Exxon-Mobil, BP-Amoco and others. They aren't building new refineries because they know it isn't worth the billion dollar investment, there won't be enough crude to justify the construction. The supply of oil won't be worth the blood and iron that will be shed to protect it. Alternitive fuels are going to have to take precedent. But even more than that, we will have to rethink the "need" for every household to have one, two, three more vehicles. In my view, gas prices aren't high enough yet. They have to rise to the point where society begins to change its behavior, demand better public transportation, demand planning and development that is friendly to foot and cycle traffic, transport of goods by rail and water, rather than trucks. Then we will start to move in the direction of cleaner air, sustainable energy use, and connected communities. As long as everyone is still in their own cars, in their own world, this will never happen.

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Poster: Jerrob Hungar Date: Apr 26, 2007 5:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Owsley On The Environment

Global warming, greenhouse gases, the whole climate debate is a huge subject and eminent scientists have been vilified for daring to question the climate change hysteria, which has taken over from the last big scary thing and which some folks are making a load of money from and I'm just a poor dumb sod with a family to support struggling to find another job after the company I worked for went bust. (whew!) So I'm just trying look on the bright side of life tum te-dum te-dum

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Apr 27, 2007 11:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Owsley On The Environment

Jerrob:

Canada recently announced legislation to phase in a ban of manufacture and sale of incandescent light bulbs, a move that will cut their green house gas emissions by 1%...not bad considering their goal is 20%...one relatively simple and easy solution implemented and only 19 more to go

Where’s the hysteria?

sometimes it is difficult to know where you are coming from, but if you, or someone you know is so unfortunate as to be unhappily unemployed, why not invest your future with a company on the cutting edge of the lighting industry?